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greetings to all the lovers of the

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strange

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hello citizens and welcome to

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i'm jason mcclellan thanks for hanging

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out with me

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we're continuing our roswell exploration

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today

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it's taken me much longer to get around

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to this episode than i had originally

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intended

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much longer

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life gets really busy and complicated at

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times

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i lost both my father-in-law and my dad

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within the span of a couple months so

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i've been dealing with other things

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but here we are finally ready to move

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forward with our next roswell episode

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on the previous episode i provided a

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very brief summary of what is most

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commonly referred to as the roswell ufo

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incident of 1947.

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today we'll look a little closer at this

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story

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most people have heard and is the most

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generally accepted account

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when we look at a ufo case like roswell

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that took place so long ago

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it's nearly impossible to know with 100

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certainty what really transpired

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we're talking about something that

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happened 75 years ago

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and the bulk of what makes up the

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roswell story originated from a handful

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of alleged eyewitnesses and to a greater

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extent second and third hand stories

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relayed to ufo researchers by friends

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family and acquaintances of people who

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may have been present in 1947 during the

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incident

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and to make getting at the truth of what

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really happened even more difficult

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ufo researchers who are responsible for

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digging up this old case and piecing the

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story together for us

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don't even agree on the details of the

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we'll certainly be diving deeper into

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some of these issues as the year

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but today let's look at the basic story

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the known begins in the early days of

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july 1947.

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i'm intentionally omitting dates here

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because there are varying opinions about

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when these events occurred

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on one of the first nights of the month

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a thunderstorm rolled into new mexico's

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lincoln county the county directly to

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the west of chavez county chavez county

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is where the city of roswell new mexico

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during this thunderstorm a few different

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parties reportedly heard a loud

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louder and

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different from typical thunder

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one of these individuals who heard this

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explosion was william w mack brazel

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mack braza was the foreman of a sheep

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ranch owned by twin brothers jb and h.s

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the following day brazil and

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loretta and floyd proctor who owned a

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neighboring ranch rode out to the foster

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ranch with their horses to check on the

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sheep when they were a couple miles from

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the ranch house they unexpectedly came

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upon an area that was absolutely

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littered with unfamiliar debris

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this material was reportedly spread

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across an area approximately a quarter

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of a mile long

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gouge in the ground that ran several

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eyewitness testimony this debris

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included small pieces of unusual

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cloth and monofilament fishing line

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neighbors about the strange material

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right out to the site with him to

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observe the contents of the debris field

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where they also collected personal

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mack also reportedly took pieces to

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wade's bar in corona new mexico and to

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the corona general store where he showed

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them off to people solicited help in

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identifying the material and more

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importantly sought advice about who we

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should contact to have the debris

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while in corona people informed mac

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about various ufo reports from around

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the country that had been making some

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mild buzz in the media and suggested

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that what he found on the foster ranch

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might be the result of a flying saucer

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crash and that he should probably report

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it to the authorities in roswell

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the proctors also recommended alerting

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authorities with the thought that

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whatever mack found might belong to the

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government and he might get a reward

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so a few days after discovering the

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debris field mack took this advice and

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made the 75 mile journey to roswell in

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his pickup truck he went to the office

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of the chavez county sheriff george

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wilcox to report the debris

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while he was there frank joyce a

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made a routine call to the sheriff to

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check on any news scoops or a good

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gossip of the day

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sheriff wilcox reportedly put brazil on

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the line to relay his story

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joyce suggested calling roswell army

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airfield to report the find

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the sheriff heeded this advice and

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phoned the base where he was transferred

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to the base intelligence officer major

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after marcel finished his lunch he met

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brazil at the sheriff's office

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listened to the story

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and looked over pieces of the material

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that brazil brought with him to roswell

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marcel took these pieces back to the

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base with him to report the incident to

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marcel showed the pieces of debris to

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blanchard and assuming some type of

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aircraft had crashed marcel was ordered

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to go out to the debris field right away

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marcel and sheridan cavett the officer

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corps detachment at roswell army

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airfield drove to the debris field each

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mack brazil jesse marcel senior and

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house near dusk so the trio camped there

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debris field which was located

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collecting as much of the debris as

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possible then started the journey back

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but marcel took a detour first

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jesse marcel jr was 11 at the time

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he helped his dad spread the interesting

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debris across the kitchen floor as the

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family admired and scrutinized

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it the debris collected from the foster

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ranch was presented to colonel blanchard

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after meeting to discuss the incident

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blanchard phoned the base public

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information officer first lieutenant

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walter hot and dictated the infamous

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press release that generated

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walter hawk contacted the local media

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which included roswell's two radio

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stations and two newspapers to relay the

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press release

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the official story read as follows

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quote the many rumors regarding the

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flying disc became a reality yesterday

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when the intelligence office of the

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509th bomb group of the 8th air force

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roswell army airfield was fortunate

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enough to gain possession of a disc

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through the cooperation of one of the

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local ranchers and the sheriff's office

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of chavez county the flying object

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landed on a ranch near roswell sometime

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not having phone facilities the rancher

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stored the disc until such time as he

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was able to contact the sheriff's office

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who in turn notified major jesse a

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marcel of the 509th bomb group

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intelligence office

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action was immediately taken and the

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disc was picked up at the ranchers home

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it was inspected at the roswell army

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airfield and subsequently loaned by

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major marcel to higher headquarters end

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talk about an attention-grabbing press

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we'll certainly look closer at this

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press release on a future episode

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there's lots to dissect to talk about

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the 519th bomb group stationed at

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roswell army airfield was attached to

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the eighth air force which was

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headquartered in texas at the fort worth

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army air base

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on the same day that first lieutenant

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walter hawt issued that press release

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about the recovered flying saucer

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jesse marcel senior flew to fort worth

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to present some of the recovered

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material to the commanding general of

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the 8th air force brigadier general

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roger ramey

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when marcel arrived in fort worth he was

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met by hungry reporters wanting to know

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more about the exciting ufo story

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but marcel knew he couldn't say anything

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publicly before meeting with the general

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he made his way to the general's office

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presented some of the recovered ufo

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material

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reportedly removed from the office and

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replaced with various pieces of debris

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from a normal weather balloon

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the base public information officer and

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press from the fort worth star telegram

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were brought in to photograph the

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material as marcel raymie and raimi's

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chief of staff posed with the switched

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out weather balloon

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then the base's weather officer came to

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raimi's office to inform the press that

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the material presented was without a

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doubt the remains of a balloon and radar

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target

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something he himself had experience

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launching

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then raymie addressed the press

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announcing that the captured saucer was

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nothing more than the remains of a

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weather balloon and its target

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that pretty much killed the roswell

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flying saucer story

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the press ran with it everybody accepted

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it and the roswell ufo frenzy quickly

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but what about the claims of recovered

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alien bodies

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what about the claims that witnesses

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including mac brazil were intimidated

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threatened and silenced by the military

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future episodes but that's going to do

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it for this episode i hope you'll join

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mcclellan do us a favor friends always

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focus of your quest even if the truth